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  1. Simply, my situation came about regarding a healthcare decision for my only sibling in emergency then
    my having to ok a very serious brain operation where he never recovered only to be in a vegetative state
    where no doctor or nurse would give me some information being an only heir…frankly the professionals
    were all to blame as my brother was in a doctors care ten days earlier as well as having a persistent headache for 16 months only to succumb with 9 large brain absesses…..so point being here i was asked
    or vaguely told to take brotheroff life support……..this was far trickier and maddening then whoops no healthcare proxy..i dont even have one……he was 69 years old and taking care of his 97 year old father
    so what is the LAW here no talking but yes approving a life threatening operation where brother was at the end in emergency…….too far gone…..so is it the doctor who sent him home ten days earlier that took
    the capsules in his brain to form………….how about that delemma……

    • Hi Elaine and I am so sorry to hear about your brother. I didn’t follow every part of it, but I gather that you were placed in a difficult position of having to make serious decisions about his care when it was not clear if you had the power to do so, or even if there was really much choice of what course to take. Your story really emphasizes the importance of planning ahead and assigning a healthcare proxy or power of attorney, even before what we consider old age.

      I also got the sense that you had difficulty obtaining information, and some of that may have been related to privacy legislation. Here’s a link to an excellent article: 10 things you need to know about HIPAA.

  2. Can a doctor say the person has capacity to name a Health Care Proxy Agent if the doctor has said they do not have capacity to make difficult health care decisions?

    • In principle, I would say yes. Capacity is supposed to be decision-specific, and some decisions are easier (or may require different parts of the brain) than others.

      In many cases, naming a health care proxy can be a simpler decision than making a difficult health care decision.

      Doctors may also be more likely to conclude the person has capacity if the choice they are making is consistent with other choices or values the person has expressed over time in the past, and otherwise isn’t a “worrisome” choice. So if an older person is picking a POA, are they choosing a family member who has been involved for a long time or are they choosing a new companion who just recently arrived on the scene.

      Many health providers will set a higher bar for determining the person has capacity to choose someone that seems surprising to the clinician or family. They may also set a higher bar regarding determining capacity if anyone has raised concerns about undue influence or someone “having an agenda.”

  3. Im medical POA for my 79 year old mother. She has been hospitalized four times the last few months for the same issue. The doctor now is doing a procedure immediately which I feel mom doesn’t understand the risks. The doctor says she is able to make decisions but I have noticed her inability to truly understand all medical benefits, risks and complications because of memory and stress both physically and mentally. Does doctor have right not to discuss with POA about plan of care? What rights do I have as POA to ensure mom truly understands what doctor has told her before the procedure takes place?

    • It sounds like you are concerned about the health provider’s assessment of her capacity to provide informed consent. I think it’s certainly possible that the provider is over-estimating her understanding; many providers assess capacity in a fairly cursory way, whereas it sounds like you’ve been observing your mother carefully and so your concerns are worth taking seriously.
      The doctor should be willing to discuss things with you if you are your mother’s POA, especially if she seems amenable. I would recommend communicating your concerns to the involved health providers, in both conversation and in writing. Be very explicit about what your concern is, and why you think your mother may not have capacity to consent to the procedure.
      It may also help if you are explicit about what you are asking the provider to do. Are you asking for them to allow you to decide about whether to do the procedure? Are you asking them to get a second opinion re your mother’s capacity? What is it you want them to do?
      If the provider is reluctant to engage, you could try being clear that you are concerned that they are proceeding without adequate informed consent, that you have documented in writing why you think your mother does not actually have capacity to consent (and/or why the procedure is not in line with her goals or care and/or truly necessary), and that if they will not engage with you, you will be notifying the hospital and/or the provider’s supervisor, because you need someone to take your concern more seriously.
      Your mother has a right to provide consent or to have her POA provide consent if she lacks capacity. Determining capacity is a judgment call but I think you should be able to push for more careful consideration of her capacity, if you really think she doesn’t understand the risks and if you think the procedure may not be likely to serve her well. Good luck!

  4. My 88 y.o. mother has been diagnosed with severe advanced dementia. She has become a flight risk. Most all the time she doesn’t know where she lives, or that she lives with her mother in another town or thinks someone else owns the house she lives in. The caregiver hired has limited caregiving experience with mom’s diagnosis and has openly lied to me how Mom is doing, ie bathing, walking off.etc.
    My brother Mike has been, behind my back, had my mother sign legal documents.
    I am POA medical. My brother Mike has no authorities except has his name as ‘and/or’ on the trust papers. My other brother David, is POA and Advocate.
    David and I are going to trial for guardianship and conservatorship.
    Question: Can my Mom legally sign papers being this confused? She has been diagnosed by a neurologist.

    • To legally sign papers and complete a valid transaction, the person has to have capacity for that particular decision, which means understanding what they are signing and the consequences. Generally people with early/mild dementia often have capacity for certain legal documents, but people with more advanced dementia who are chronically confused do not.

      Now, an attorney is supposed to check that the client has capacity, but they may or may not do this.

      If a person legally signs papers when they were in fact confused and had a well-established diagnosis of significant dementia, the transaction can probably be contested. However, doing this may require getting your own attorney and possibly filing a claim.

      If your mom hasn’t yet signed, you could consider notifying the involved attorney of your concerns, however, they often feel they have to disclose to their client (your mom) that an adult child contacted them with concerns.

      Since these concerns are quite common among people concerned about an aging parent, I interviewed an elder law attorney recently, you may find this podcast episode helpful: 097 – Interview: Common Elder Law Issues When Helping Aging Parents.

      Good luck!

  5. I have a very difficult 79-year-old Mom who lives by herself (Dad died 6 yrs. ago) and am her only child. She resists anything I have to say or suggest concerning her safety and sharing her medical information. She’s very private (with me), but freely tells others about her testing Dad’s gun five years ago and how it ‘went off’ in her home.

    I see her progressively become worse (as others have too) in the past few years – not able to complete tasks that used to be easy for her, allowing a LOT more mess and piles of papers around her home (even when she knows her family is coming), having difficulty understanding how to turn on a/c at beginning of summer, difficulty understanding that when a/c is off AND her windows/doors are closed in the summer, she can cook herself, along with her defiance and anger that she’s being told what to do or if I ask anything about her.

    All this I’ve detailed in two letters to her PCP since mid-July. I am having difficulty obtaining an assessment. Mom hasn’t signed HIPAA at PCP office, I’m not allowed to go with her to dr visits, I have Advanced Directives which my lawyer/Mom’s lawyer says is enough to view dr’s notes and also have POA. Front office staff suggest I go with Mom to her next appt., which they moved from December to November (I’m guessing because of the concerns I’ve detailed in letters). I told them how mad she would be to know we’ve talked and that she doesn’t ‘allow’ me to go to her doc appts.

    To make bad things worse, her doc of three years left and is now practicing in another state. Mom says she will call her insurance company to find out where he’s practicing now and intends to follow him. Of course, I am NOT able to tell her that he is in another state (because I’m a know-it-all who always thinks I’m right).

    My concern is Mom won’t go to another doc in the office that has her records, allowing MORE time to pass before she’s examined for a diagnosis or assessment of capacity.

    Unsure what to do at this point. Thanks for you help. I do love your podcasts and have learned much from them AND your written articles on your website!

    • I agree, these symptoms sound concerning, so I’m glad you are pushing to have her evaluated. You are doing the right things, but of course, these situations are complicated. From what you say, it sounds like you have POA documents that are already effective and don’t require your mom to first be documented as incapacitated. I believe does give you the right to request information from her health provider now. However there is no guarantee that they wouldn’t reveal this to your mother (although they would probably be discreet if you asked them to), and if she found out and asked them to not talk to you, technically she gets to override you, unless they conclude she’s impaired and it’s not in her best interest.

      Since her PCP has moved away: could you ask the other doctor in the office to contact your mom and say that her prev PCP is asking her to come in to see a colleague?

      I have other thoughts, but they are more than can fit in a comment. That’s why we started a membership for people like you, actually: so that I could provide ongoing support in navigating these situations, because they do take a while. You can learn more here: Helping Older Parents Membership.

      Good luck!

  6. My 85 year old grandmother has been duped by Nigerian scammers. They have her convinced she is paying taxes on 32 million dollars to be able to bring it to America (it is USD) (allegedly) She sends them pretty much all her Social Security and now she got a life insurance check due to my grandfather passing. She has been shown proof by myself, other family members and FBI that this is a scam. She refuses to believe this. Now I am worried she is going to send this money to these people and she is going to be right back where she was, hungry and broke. On top of the life insurance check she recieves almost $3k every month from Social Security…its all gone within days of receiving it. Everyone else in my family just enables this, and acts like they don’t see. I am the only one standing up about this. I am stuck feeling. I won’t stand by and watch her give her money to these crooks and watch her starve…what to do?

    • Yikes, this does indeed sound worrisome. I have information on what to consider doing and resources listed in this article: Financial Exploitation in Aging: What to Know & What to Do.

      Re refusing to believe it’s a scam: your explanations haven’t worked, so you may want to stop trying to explain as much, as this may be increasing her stress and you will be more likely to succeed in intervening if she feels less conflict with family. Good luck!

  7. This is very good information but I still have questions. My mother in law is battling stage 4 lung cancer. In the past 6 weeks she has been in and out of the hospital for breathing issues. She is maxed out for radiation treatment and is now in an immunotherapy treatment that none of the family knows if it is actually doing anything to help. The doctors will not talk to the family and will not discuss “Prognosis” or “timelines” with anyone. She is on oxygen. She continues to smoke. She lives alone. She is managing her own medications (which one of the doctors in the hospital made the comment that she is not capable of managing her own medication). She isn’t eating or drinking like she should. She cannot (or will not) make herself anything to eat. She has a potty chair but refuses to get out of bed unless someone is there and makes her get up and has to help her get up. She refuses to go to a nursing home willingly. She doesn’t have the money nor does the family have the money to pay for in-home care, Hospice cannot be called to come in and help because she is still undergoing treatments. There is only 1 family member who lives close enough to come check on her but that person has a home and family and children to tend to as well so she cannot be there 24/7. Because she refuses to give up smoking, the family member is not willing to have her move in to her house. Volunteers were lined up to come help but she has run them all off with her mean and nasty attitude and the fact she poops/pees on herself without even saying anything to anyone that could have gotten her up to the potty. She will go hours sitting in her feces because she passes out from taking the medication. We are at wits end… we don’t know what else to do. I have thought about calling APS but from the way this article sounds they may not deem her incapable to do anything but take care of herself. If you catch her at a good moment she sounds lucid and competent, but if you catch her when her medication is kicking in then she talks crazy. What else can we do?

    • Sorry to hear of your situation, it does indeed sound difficult. Well, it sounds like your family has tried to offer help but your mother in law is not cooperative. You don’t say how old she is. I imagine the illness and/or the treatments are affecting her mental function at times. And, you can only do what you can do. You could try calling APS if you are concerned about self-neglect. They may not do anything, but at least you will have taken an action and again made an attempt to help.

      I also wonder if you might be able to help her get a palliative care consultation. This is not quite the same as hospice; a palliative care consult should be able to help address prognosis, her goals, and options for moving forward. Those options may or may not include hospice. (Hospice is really a particular type of palliative care service.) Most hospitals offer palliative care consults, and some cancer clinics do as well. You can learn more here: GetPalliativeCare.org.

      Good luck!

  8. we have just received bank statements from my mother in laws accounts she receives a lease payment of 21450 every 4 months and says she can live on it as she has to pay tax and she doesn’t think she should have to. Over the last 2 and a half years she has spent 440000 thousand dollars. She spends 400 a week on cloths and 300 a week on groceries. She now wants to sell family farm as she cannot survive this is worth 2 and a half million we have warned her about the tax she will have to pay as this was left to her 3 yrs ago. My husband has EPA and is worried that she will spend all the money within a few years and will not pay her Tax and will end up bankrupt. How can he stop this from happening

    • Wow, this certainly sounds worrisome. Well, for these situations I generally recommend starting by asking yourself: are there signs that she has an ongoing problem with memory or thinking? If so, then explanations are not going to work, they will just antagonize her. And if you think she is impaired, then it becomes ethically justifiable to try to intervene, if she doesn’t want you to.

      (If she’s not impaired and seems to have mental capacity, your mother in law (MIL) has a right to be financially irresponsible.)

      If your spouse has power of attorney, the document will specify under what circumstances he can intervene. If he has the legal authority to intervene but she has different ideas, then he may need to consider a court action to take over her finances and prevent her from doing things she doesn’t understand that are detrimental to her financial safety.

      You may want to consider consulting with an elderlaw attorney in the state where your MIL resides. good luck!

  9. My grandfather is 93yr old. He married a younger woman from Mexico. We live in a border town. She crosses the bridge every month to ask for money. She never takes care of him or wants to take care of him. My mother has been taking care of him and even made an extra room for him no rent nor utilities are paid by him. He is just worried to give money to the so called wide every month. What do you suggest to be done in this situation. He gets close to 1200 every month.

    • That’s a tough situation. If his memory and thinking are generally ok and he seems to have decision-making capacity for this choice, then he’s allowed to do it. It’s still possible that the situation might qualify as financial exploitation, and of course, I see why your family is concerned.

      This article might be helpful: Financial Exploitation in Aging: What to Know & What to Do

      I will add that it was your mother’s choice to take him in and not ask that he pay rent or contribute. Especially if he’s not impaired and has capacity, she gets to choose whether she continues that arrangement. She could potentially tell him that she’s not willing to continue with the current arrangement, and that she needs him to make some contribution to the family’s expenses. But of course, once someone is 93, it’s very hard to set that kind of limit, especially if he is frail, or otherwise is unlikely to be able to live on his own.

      Good luck!

  10. There is no shortage of documents for family members and caregivers but I have yet to find a document that I can provide my 75 year old mother, recently diagnosed with vascular dementia, who for years refused opportunities for assessment (until January and April this year, indirectly, long story) refuses to accept the doctor’s diagnosis, refuses treatment and medications and additional testing and assessment. The rest of the story is long and complicated. For now, I need something in writing that I can give her to read over and over and over again that will help her to understand what she is experiencing (because although she says there is nothing wrong with her brain and she’d know if there was, there is and she may but she is denying it) what he doctor and I are trying to accomplish, which is to help her, slow the disease as best we can and ensure she is safe and can continue to live independently.

    • Explanations can work for some people with dementia but often do not work. I think any written document would have to really be tailored to the individual person, and would have to be based on something short that had been reasonably helpful when told orally to the person. The only way to know what — if any — explanation will work is to experiment and try. For some people, explaining that they have dementia (or a “brain problem”; there are many ways to try to frame this) and hence need to let you do XYZ works; for most, it doesn’t.

      I would recommend you work with her usual doctor to try to figure out what you can say, to help her feel better and/or cooperate with what you are trying to do for her. If the doctor doesn’t have experience communicating with people with dementia, you may want to look for a dementia behavior specialist to help you with this.

      I would also recommend you find a support group for dementia families, as you’ll get lots of ideas and support re communication with your mom.

      Good luck!