In this article, I’ll address a real mainstay of modern medicine: laboratory tests that require drawing blood.
This is sometimes referred to as “checking labs,” “doing bloodwork,” or even “checking blood.”
Most older adults have been through this. For instance, it’s pretty much impossible to be hospitalized without having bloodwork done, and it’s part of most emergency room care. Such testing is also often done as part of an annual exam, or “complete physical.”
Last but not least, blood testing is usually — although not always — very helpful when it comes to evaluating many common complaints that affect aging adults.
Fatigued and experiencing low energy? We should perhaps check for anemia and thyroid problems, among other things.
Confused and delirious? Bloodwork can help us check on an older person’s electrolytes (they can be thrown off by a medication side-effect, as well as by other causes). Blood tests can also provide us with information related to infection, kidney function, and much more.
Like much of medical care, blood testing is probably overused. But often, it’s an appropriate and an important part of evaluating an older person’s health care concerns. So as a geriatrician, I routinely order or recommend blood tests for older adults.
Historically, laboratory results were reviewed by the doctors and were only minimally discussed with patients and families. But today, it’s becoming more common for patients to ask questions about their results, and otherwise become more knowledgeable about this aspect of their health.
In fact, one of my top recommendations to older adults and family caregivers is to always request a copy of your laboratory results. (And then, keep it in your personal health record!)
This way, if you ever have questions about your health, or need to see a different doctor, you’ll be able to quickly access this useful information about yourself.
In this article, I’m going to list and briefly explain the blood tests that are most commonly used, for the primary medical care of older adults.
Specifically, I’ll cover four “panels” which are commonly ordered, and then I’ll list six more blood tests that I find especially useful.
In other words, we’re going to cover my top ten blood tests for the healthcare of aging adults.
I’ll finish with some practical tips for you to keep in mind, when it comes to blood tests.
4 common “panels” in laboratory blood testing
1. Complete Blood Count (CBC)
What it measures: A CBC is a collection of tests related to the cells in your blood. It usually includes the following results:
- White blood cell count (WBCs): the number of white blood cells per microliter of blood
- Red blood cell count (RBCs): the number of red blood cells per microliter of blood
- Hemoglobin (Hgb): how many grams of this oxygen-carrying protein per deciliter of blood
- Hematocrit (Hct): the fraction of blood that is made up of red blood cells
- Mean corpuscular volume (MCV): the average size of red blood cells
- Platelet count (Plts): how many platelets (a smaller cell involved in clotting blood) per microliter of blood
The CBC can also be ordered “with differential.” This means that the white blood cells are classified into their subtypes. For more information on the CBC test, see Medline: CBC blood test. For details on the white blood cell count differential, and what the results might signify, see Medline: Blood differential test.
What the CBC is often used for:
- Anemia may be diagnosed if the red blood cell count, hemoglobin, and hematocrit are lower than normal.
- I explain anemia in more depth here: Anemia in the Older Adult: 10 Common Causes & What to Ask.
- The white blood cell count usually goes up if a person is fighting an infection. Some medications, such as corticosteroids, can also cause an increase in the white blood cell count.
- If several types of blood cells (i.e. red blood cells, white blood cells, and platelets) are low, this can be a sign of a problem with the bone marrow.
- Occasionally an older person’s platelet count may be lower than normal (or even higher than normal). This usually requires further evaluation.
2. Basic metabolic panel (basic electrolyte panel)
What it measures: Although it’s possible to request a measurement of a single electrolyte, it’s far more common for electrolytes to be ordered as part of a panel of seven or eight measurements. This is often referred to as a “chem-7,” and usually includes:
- Sodium
- Potassium
- Chloride
- Carbon dioxide (CO2) (sometimes referred to as “bicarbonate,” as this is the chemical form of carbon dioxide which is more common in the bloodstream)
- Blood urea nitrogen (BUN)
- Creatinine (often accompanied by an estimated “glomerular filtration rate,” or “eGFR”result)
- Glucose
What the basic metabolic panel is often used for:
- Medication side-effects can cause electrolytes such as sodium or potassium to be either too high or too low.
- These electrolytes are often monitored when people take certain types of medications, such as certain blood pressure medications, or diuretics.
- Carbon dioxide levels reflect the acidity of the blood.
- This can be affected by kidney function and by lung function. Severe infection can also change acid levels in the blood.
- Creatinine and BUN levels are most commonly used to monitor kidney function. Both of these measurements can go up if kidney function is temporarily impaired (e.g. by dehydration or a medication side-effect) or chronically impaired.
- It is common for older adults to have at least mild decreases in kidney function.
- Many medications must be dosed differently, if a person has decreased kidney function.
- Laboratories now routinely use the patient’s age and creatinine level to calculate an “estimated glomerular filtration rate,” which represents the filtering power of the kidneys. This is considered a better measure of kidney function than simply relying on creatinine and BUN levels.
- Glucose levels represent the amount of sugar in the blood.
- If they are higher than normal, this could be due to undiagnosed diabetes or inadequately controlled diabetes.
- If the glucose levels are on the low side, this is called hypoglycemia. It is often caused by diabetes medications, and may indicate a need to reduce the dosage of these drugs.
For more details on these tests, see Medline: Basic Metabolic Panel. From this page, you can find links to additional pages which explain each of the above electrolytes and metabolic components in detail, including common causes of the result being abnormally high or low.
3. Comprehensive metabolic panel
What it measures: This panel includes the items above in the basic metabolic panel, and then usually includes an additional seven items. For this reason, it’s sometimes referred to as a “chem-14” panel. Beyond the seven tests included the basic panel (see above), the comprehensive panel also adds:
- Calcium
- Total protein
- Albumin
- Bilirubin (total)
- Alkaline phosphatase
- AST (aspartate aminotransferase)
- ALT (alanine aminotransferase)
What the comprehensive metabolic panel is often used for:
- Calcium levels are usually regulated by the kidneys and by certain hormones.
- Blood calcium levels are not usually a good way to assess calcium intake or total calcium stores in the bones and body.
- High or low blood calcium levels can cause symptoms, including cognitive dysfunction, and usually indicate an underlying health problem. They can also be caused by certain types of medication.
- Albumin is one of the key proteins in the bloodstream. It is synthesized by the liver.
- Low albumin levels may indicate a problem with the liver or a problem maintaining albumin in the bloodstream.
- Malnutrition may cause low albumin levels.
- AST and ALT are enzymes contained in liver cells.
- An elevation in these enzymes often indicates a problem affecting the liver. This can be caused by medications or by a variety of other health conditions.
- Bilirubin is produced by the liver, and usually drains down the bile ducts and into the small intestine. Some bilirubin is also related to the breakdown of red blood cells.
- An increase in bilirubin can be caused by gallstones or another issue blocking the bile ducts.
- Alkaline phosphatase is found throughout the body, but especially in bile ducts and also in bone.
- Higher levels are often caused by either a blockage in the liver or by a problem affecting bone metabolism.
For more details on these tests, and the possible causes of abnormal results, see Medline: Comprehensive Metabolic Panel.
4. Lipid (cholesterol) panel
What it measures: These tests measure the different types of cholesterol and related fats in the bloodstream. The panel usually includes:
- Total cholesterol
- High-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol, sometimes known as “good” cholesterol
- Triglycerides
- Low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol, sometimes known as “bad” cholesterol
- LDL results are usually calculated, based on the other three results
People are often asked to fast before having their cholesterol checked. This is because triglycerides can increase after eating, and this can cause a falsely low LDL to be calculated. However, research suggests that in most cases, it’s not necessary for people to fast; it’s inconvenient and only makes a small difference in test results.
What the lipid panel is often used for:
- These tests are usually used to evaluate cardiovascular risk in older adults.
- Higher than normal total or LDL cholesterol levels are sometimes treated with a medication, such as a statin. They can also be reduced by dietary changes (see Your Guide to Lowering Cholesterol with Therapeutic Lifestyle Changes, from the NIH).
- For more on these tests, see Medline: Cholesterol testing and results.
6 more blood tests that I order often
Here are six other types of tests that I often order on my older patients:
1. Tests related to thyroid function
What these measure: These tests can be used to screen for thyroid disorders, or to help calibrate the dosage of thyroid replacement medications. The most commonly used tests are:
In more complicated situations, other tests related to thyroid function may also be ordered.
What these tests are often used for:
- Thyroid problems are common in older adults (especially older women), and are associated with symptoms such as fatigue and cognitive difficulties.
- If an older person is having symptoms that could be related to a thyroid problem, the first step is to check the TSH level.
- TSH usually reflects the body’s determination of whether the available thyroid hormone is sufficient or not.
- If the thyroid gland is not making enough thyroid hormone, TSH should be higher than normal.
- Free T4 is often used to confirm a thyroid hormone problem, if the TSH is abnormal.
For more information about thyroid problems in older adults, see HealthinAging.org: Thyroid Problems. You can also read a more in-depth scholarly article here: Approach to and Treatment of Thyroid Disorders in the Elderly.
2. Tests related to vitamin B12 levels
What these measure: These measure the serum levels of vitamin B12 and provide information as to whether the level is adequate for the body’s needs. The two tests involved are:
Depending on the situation, if an older adult is found to have low vitamin B12 levels, additional testing may be pursued, to determine the underlying cause of this vitamin deficiency.
What these tests are often used for:
- Vitamin B12 deficiency is quite common in older adults, and can be related to common problems such as fatigue, memory problems, and walking difficulties.
- Methylmalonic acid levels in the body are related to vitamin B12 levels, and can help confirm a vitamin B12 deficiency.
- It is especially important to check this, if an older person has vitamin B12 levels that are on the low side of normal.
- Low vitamin B12 levels are associated with higher-than-normal methylmalonic acid levels
- For more information, see: How to Avoid Harm from Vitamin B12 Deficiency.
3. Glycated hemoglobin (Hemoglobin A1C)
What it measures: Glycated hemoglobin is formed in the body when blood glucose (blood sugar) attaches to the hemoglobin in red blood cells. It is normal for glucose to do this, but if you have more glucose in the blood than normal, your percentage of glycated hemoglobin will be higher than normal. The higher one’s average blood sugar level, the greater percentage of glycated hemoglobin one will have. A result of 6.5% or above is suggestive of diabetes. For more information:
What this test is usually used for:
- This test is most often ordered to monitor the blood sugar control of people with diabetes.
- Whereas a blood glucose level (which can be checked by fingerstick or as part of a basic metabolic panel) reports the blood glucose level at a specific moment in time, a hemoglobin A1C reflects how high a person’s blood sugar has been, on average, over the prior three months.
- A hemoglobin A1C test can also be used as part of an evaluation for possible diabetes or pre-diabetes.
- Older adults should work with their doctors to determine what A1C goal is right for them. It is often appropriate to aim for a slightly higher goal in older adults than in younger adults. For more on this, see HealthinAging.org: Diabetes Care & Treatment.
4. Prothrombin time (PT) and International Normalized Ratio (INR)
What it measures: These two tests are used as a measure of how quickly a person’s blood clots. People taking the blood-thinner warfarin (brand name Coumadin) must have this regularly monitored. For more information:
What this test is usually used for:
- The INR is calculated by the laboratory, based on the prothrombin time. In people taking warfarin, the usual goal is for the INR to be between 2.0 and 3.0.
- The most common reason older adults take warfarin is to prevent strokes related to atrial fibrillation.
- Warfarin may also be prescribed after a person has experienced a blood clot in the legs, lungs, or elsewhere.
- The prothrombin time is also sometimes checked if there are concerns about unexplained bleeding, severe infection, or the ability of the liver to synthesize clotting factors.
5. Brain natriuretic peptide (BNP) test
What it measures: Despite the name, BNP levels are mainly checked because they relate to heart function (not brain function!). BNP levels go up when a person’s heart cannot pump blood as effectively as it should, a problem known as “heart failure.” For more information on this test:
A related, but less commonly used, test is the “N-terminal pro-B-type natriuretic peptide” (NT-proBNP) test.
What this test is used for:
- Checking a BNP level is mainly used to evaluate for new or worsening heart failure. This is a common chronic condition among older adults, which can occasionally get worse.
- The BNP test can be especially useful in evaluating a person who is complaining of shortness of breath.
- Shortness of breath can be caused by several different problems, including pneumonia, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, pulmonary edema, angina, and much more.
- A low BNP level means that at that moment, the shortness of breath is unlikely to be due to heart failure.
- Checking BNP levels over time is also sometimes used to monitor a person’s heart failure and response to treatment.
- For more about heart failure, see MayoClinic.org: Heart failure tests and diagnosis and also HealthinAging.org: Heart failure.
6. Ferritin
What it measures: The body’s serum ferritin level is related to iron stores in the body. For more about this test:
Depending on the situation, if an older person’s iron levels need further evaluation, additional tests can be ordered.
What this test is used for:
- Ferritin levels are most commonly used as part of an evaluation for anemia (low red blood cell count). A low ferritin level is suggestive of iron-deficiency, which is a common cause of anemia.
- Studies estimate that only a third of anemias in older adults are due to deficiencies in iron or other essential elements.
- It’s important to confirm iron deficiency by checking ferritin or other tests, before relying on iron to treat an older person’s anemia.
- Ferritin levels are also influenced by inflammation, which tends to make ferritin levels rise.
- If the ferritin levels are borderline, or if there are other reasons to be concerned about an older person’s ability to manage iron, additional blood tests related to iron may be ordered.
- For more on evaluating and treating anemia in older adults, see Anemia in the Older Adult: 10 Common Causes & What to Ask.
Obviously, there are many more tests that can be ordered as part of the medical care of older adults. But the tests I cover above are, by far, the ones I order the most often.
Tips to help you benefit from your blood tests and results
Here are my top tips:
1. Be sure you understand why a given test is being ordered. Is it meant to help evaluate a symptom? Monitor a chronic condition? Assess whether a treatment is working?
You will understand your own health issues better, if you ask questions about the purpose of the blood tests your doctors are proposing.
In general, blood tests should only be ordered for a reason, such as to evaluate a concerning symptom, to monitor a chronic disease, or to check for certain types of medication side-effect.
Keep in mind that it’s only occasionally appropriate to order blood tests for “screening.” A screening test means a person doesn’t have any symptoms. Such screening blood tests are only recommended for a handful of conditions.
For more on preventive health care and screening tests that may be appropriate for older adults, see 26 Recommended Preventive Health Services for Older Adults.
2. Ask your doctor to review the results and explain what they mean for your health. Try to look at the report with your doctor. It’s especially important to ask about any result that is flagged as abnormal by the laboratory system.
For instance, I have found that many older adults are unaware of the fact that they have mild or moderate kidney dysfunction, even though this has been evident in prior laboratory tests. This happens when people do not review reports and ask enough questions.
Wondering why the doctor wouldn’t tell an older person that the kidney function is abnormal?
Well, if it’s been going on for a while, the doctor might think the older person already knows about this issue. Or perhaps the doctor mentioned it before, but the older person didn’t quite hear it. It’s also not uncommon for doctors to just not get around to mentioning a mild abnormality that is pretty common in older people, such as mild anemia or mild kidney dysfunction.
3. Ask your doctor to explain how your results compare with your prior results. Laboratory reports will always provide a “normal” reference range. But what’s usually more useful is to see how a given result compares to your previous results.
For instance, if an older person’s complete blood count (CBC) shows signs of anemia, it’s very important to look at prior CBC results. This helps us determine what the “trajectory” of the blood count is. A blood count that is drifting down — or worse yet, dropping fairly suddenly — is much more concerning than one that has been lower-than-normal, but stable for the past year. Ditto test results suggesting diminished kidney function, and for many other abnormal blood test results.
Of course, you’ll want to understand what might be the cause of an abnormal result regardless of the trajectory. But a worsening blood test result usually means the issue is more urgent to sort out.
4. Request copies of your results, and keep them in your own record system. Past laboratory results provide incredibly useful information to health providers, and can be very useful to you as well.
If you keep your own copies of results, you’ll be better able to:
- Share them with new doctors, if you change health providers, move to a new city, or have to go to the emergency room.
- Research your health condition, in order to better understand it and know what questions to ask your doctor.
For instance, one of my family members recently had a “routine” cholesterol panel done. He takes no medications, is quite fit, and is in good health, so he was surprised when some of his results came back higher than normal. We promptly reviewed his previous results, from three years ago, and found that those results were within normal range. So this family member is now in the process of reconsidering his diet.
If he hadn’t had copies of his previous labs, he could have asked his doctor. But it’s much faster and more convenient to be able to look in your own records!
And don’t just rely on looking up past results through a patient portal. Clinics will often remove your access, if you are deemed to have left the practice. So it is very important to keep your own copies of results.
For more on the benefits of maintaining your own personal health record — or a health record for an older parent — see How to Use a Personal Health Record to Improve an Older Person’s Healthcare.
This article was reviewed and minor updates were made in January 2024.
Barb H says
An excellent explanation and great reference guide to these tests Easily understood by those of us not in the medical field.
Many thanks!
Nicole Didyk, MD says
Thanks for letting us know you liked the article and that it was easy to understand! You are most welcome.
Lynn says
Thank you so much for the informative article.
Jim says
2021-05-05 From my doctor’s Portal
—No anemia present, but cells do show that they are larger than average. Patient should take a B complex multivitamin over-the-counter every day.
My comments (in quotes ” “) to doctor via Portal
o 10. Macrocytosis (red blood cells that are larger than normal) . . . “I’m taking B Complex multivitamins. After taking my urine is bright yellow. Does that mean that I’m excreting what my body doesn’t need or want? What is the proper strength/amount?”
2021-09-01 I took the B Complex vitamin jar to my doctor’s appt & asked if they were the correct vitamins and amounts that I should be taking (since 2021-05-05 notification via portal).
o She immediately answered “yes” w/o even checking the pill content percentages, etc
2021-09-06 Doctor’s reply to my Portal comments regarding above advice to take vitamin B
o take 1000 mcg of b12 – it should be in the b complex vitamin
• That is the 1st & only time she mentioned 1000 mcg!
2021-09-08 I bought B12 – 1000mcg & have been taking daily ever since!
I’m 83 years old. I’ve asked my PCPs (multiple times and in multiple states), if it would be advisable for me see a geriatric doctor. Each time they have seemed offended and ignored my question or given short B/S answers.
I have been told that geriatrics is not really a “specialty”, it’s just doctors with a lot of old patients.
How do I find a geriatric doctor? I’ve lived near Augusta, GA for only about 2 1/2 years & have picked doctors mostly based on neighbors recommendations. BC/BS (my insurance) once recommended a foot doctor that was such an obvious fraud that I walked out of the appointment. Doctors here seem overly protective of other doctors who are “associated” with the same hospital.
Advice?
Nicole Didyk, MD says
Thanks for sharing your experience and I’m glad you got the issue with your B12 sorted out.
I’m sorry you’ve had communication challenges with your providers, and this is a common complaint. I think ageism is a part of the pciture, and I made a video about that which you can watch here: https://youtu.be/_wSAoEep7AY
Ironically, it may be that your provider thinks you’re too “healthy” to see a geriatrician! The American Geriatrics Society website HealthinAging.org has a good statement about who might need a geriatrician. Usually it’s those over 75 with frailty and cognitive changes, or with a caregiver who’s under strain. Also on that website, there’s a tool to help you find a Geriatric health professional in your area.
Best of luck and keep up the self advocacy.
Travis Metcalf says
My 83 year old wife recently passed away 3 months after finding out that she had Bile Duct cancer. We were told that if she had found out that she had cancer earlier it could have been removed and she would still be alive. Isn’t there a general type of blood test that people automatically get, at some age, that will detect a cancer. The specific cancer could be determined later. I think that doctors, and the public, should be advised to get these tests done at some age.
Nicole Didyk, MD says
Travis, I’m so sorry to hear about your wife’s passing and I understand you feeling like she shopuild have gotten an earlier diagnosis.
I wish there was a simple and accurate blood test that would reveal if a person had a treatabel cancer at any age. I’m not aware that this test exists right now.
The American Cancer Society has some recommendations for screening in older adults for some types of cancer, which you can see here: https://www.cancer.org/healthy/find-cancer-early/screening-recommendations-by-age.html#65_or_older. There are definitely gaps in cancer screening and we’re all hopeful that this changes as research progresses.
Patricia L says
Thank you for the article. I wish I had a doctor like you 😽
T says
What are possible reasons for bilirubin to increase to 1.3 along with CO2 to be high 29.8, along with mildly low RBC, hemoglobin and hematocrit?
Thank you for your wonderful articles!
Nicole Didyk, MD says
I’m so glad you enjoy the articles!
Bilirubin can be elevated when red blood cells are broken down, as in hemolytic anemia. This can be a chronic or sudden and serious condition. It’s really difficult to interpret lab values without a complete context, so I would talk it over with the doctor who ordered the tests.
Lesley Shurlock says
Thank you. I was shaken to read “Be sure you understand why a given test is being ordered. ” It is just so obvious but I never dare ask these things! I think I need help with how to speak to my Doctor. I often feel as though my GP is irritated by me. I have several painful conditions, live alone, am raging and struggling. But I try hard not to trouble my GP. Recently I felt I could not go on as the pain has become so bad but she became frustrated because I have pain in lots of places and made me choose just one. I really need to go back as I cannot stand up for more than a few minutes now. But she said I did not need to go back. What can I do? Am I a difficult patient?
Nicole Didyk, MD says
Lesley, you should know that you’re not alone living with pain. There are millions of people of all ages who live with pain and have a hard time finding help.
Peer support can be very valuable for someone with chronic pain, such as a the forum at painconcern.org.uk. Although I haven’t participated in this forum, I know that many of my patients get tremendous support and helpful tips from peers in the same boat.
Visits with a physician can be intimidating. I know as a doctor, I may feel frustrated with a patient’s problems, but that doesn’t mean I feel frustrated with the patient themselves. That being said, there is sometimes a point where a patient doesn’t need to come back and see me, even if there symptoms aren’t completely resolved. I may need to refer a patient to another doctor who can better help with a particular condition.
Tips for talking to your doctor can include:
1. Making a list of concerns so that you don’t forget to mention something important
2. Bring a friend or family member along for support
3. If your doctor prefers to focus on a single issue, have a priority topic in mind for each appointment, and schedule another visit to talk about the other things.
4. Consider taking notes to make sure you understand what’s being said. A patient may hear: “You don’t need to come back”, when what was said was: “Come back if you have new or worsening symptoms”
Carolyn Cornie says
I am a retired Medical Technologist (ASCP) and just cannot help myself as I follow the Lab values of my husband and sons.
Husband: Hbg: From 2016 to now, his value has gone from 14.6 to 12.7. His RBC has gone from 5.2 to
3.8 in the same period of time.
I realize things change with age, but I still have a concern about this.
He complains of fatigue.
He has been taking Iron Glycilate 28 mg daily….which I also take and now my hgb is a bit higher than his.
What do you think?
Nicole Didyk, MD says
Hi Carolyn and I completely understand looking at a family member’s lab results! For my clients who have “medical” family members, I actually appreciate it when we can chat about lab values and I know that the family member has some background.
The changes you describe are subtle, and not low enough to raise an urgent alarm, but definitely a drop. In a case like that, I would want to round out the workup with some other parameters, such as a complete blood count, mean cell volume (to see if the red blood cells are large or small – this can point to certain types of anemia), kidney and liver function tests.
Anemia is more common in older adults, so if we see a change in blood test results, it’s worth looking more closely, rather than dismissing the change as due to aging. Dr. K has a great article about anemia, which you can read, here.
Patricia L says
Hello,
I wonder if it could be a sign of a very discreet but constant bleeding in the GI tract? Some people have stomach ulcers that can bleed for decades before they have serious symptoms.
Nicole Didyk, MD says
That’s a good point, but in my experience a GI bleed causes anemia with small red blood cells (microcytosis). That, along with a low level of ferritin (which reflects the iron stores) would prompt me to look at whether there’s any blood loss.
Linda Smith says
My doctor ordered a ferritin test after hemoglobin was 15.9. I am a healthy 67 yr old female and take no prescription medication. My ferritin level is 457. I also tested positive for c282y heterozygous. Dr has suggested phlebotomy. My question is with my platelet count being 150,000 can I tolerate phlebotomy? Will this affect my platelet count?
Nicole Didyk, MD says
Hi Linda. I’m not a hematologist, but as far as I know from my reading, platelet counts aren’t usually affected by phlebotomy (the removal of blood at regular intervals to try to reduce iron overload in patients with hemochromatosis and other conditions).
Hereditary hemochromatosis is often due to genetic mutations, like the c282y mutation, and most of the time homozygous individuals (having 2 copies of the gene so to speak) have more symptoms than heterozygous ones (one copy). From what I’ve read, heterozygous people do not usually require phlebotomy. But they might if they have other medical conditions like liver disease, for example. This website might be helpful: https://www.hemochromatosis.org/
Ifechukwu ezepue says
Thank you so much, you just made everything simple..